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Melkoisen rohkea artikkeli tämän päivän Nationissa. Omasta mielestäni lause, jonka olen tummentanut on se, mikä usein unohtuu monessakin maassa mutta varsinkin Thaimaassa. Menneitä tapahtumia ei enää muisteta tai niiden merkitystä nykytapahtumiin ei ymmärretä.
| Lainaus: | Bloody May memories and lessons still not learned
PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK
@PravitR May 20, 2015 1:00 am
THE month of May is a politically loaded month for modern Thai political history. Our society as a whole, however, seems to have failed to learn and consolidate crucial lessons from its past.
The bloody uprising in May 1992 (from the 17th to 20th), which ousted then-military dictator General Suchinda Kraprayoon, took place this week 23 years ago. At least 40 were killed and 600 injured.
A major newspaper's photo-caption on Monday summarised the situation well. The caption on page A5 of this Thai-language paper described the remembrance of those who lost their loved ones in May 1992 - but nowhere did the caption mention who the struggle was against.
There was no telling that 23 years ago this month, hundreds of thousands of people poured onto the streets to demand an elected prime minister from General Suchinda, a leader of the 1991 coup who appointed himself as prime minister. Suchinda later opted to send troops on to the streets of Bangkok to mow people down.
Then there was the May 2010 crackdown on red shirts, which ended with a combined loss of at least 99 lives from all sides. Five years have passed and Thailand has yet to learn a lesson that never-again should live ammunition be used against civilians.
This Friday, meanwhile, is the first anniversary of the May 22, 2014 military coup, which has led to Thailand still being under military rule today, by junta-leader cum Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha.
It's unclear for many as to what they can or should learn from the May 2014 coup - the virtue of keeping the military inside its barracks is not a concern for some.
Meanwhile, the May 1992 uprising certainly seems a distant memory, particularly among young Thais. Today, the history of May 1992 is mostly mentioned only in passing in history textbooks and unless you are a Thai history major or political science student at university, it's unlikely you would be formally taught about it in depth.
Most young Thais don't get to learn about the evil and excess of military dictators like Suchinda who granted himself a self-amnesty after the street killings to absolve himself of any crime. Or that of Field Marshal Sarit Thanarat who wielded absolute power. Sarit's motto was "I am solely responsible" in exercising authoritarian power, only to later have his massive ill-gotten wealth confiscated by the state after his death.
It's thus not surprising that some defend the current junta, the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO), on the grounds that its leaders need not be as corrupt or abusive as military dictators of the past.
Prayut and the NCPO have to some extent demonstrated that Thai |military dictatorship can evolve |and become somewhat more 'sophisticated'. Despite Prayut's absolute power under Article 44 of the junta's provisional charter no one has |been sentenced to be executed and my hunch is Prayut will not order anyone to death, unlike Sarit.
Yet only through reaping lessons from the past can Thai society progress beyond the cycle of coup and absolute military rule.
There are numerous past lessons on the negative repercussions of absolute power, particularly under military dictators. Nevertheless, a significant proportion of the Thai population seems oblivious to this and optimistically embraces one coup after another.
It was as if the past is the past, disconnected or irrelevant to the present, as society keeps on stumbling back to the same old route that has kept Thailand from becoming a democracy. |
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Bloody-May-memories-and-lessons-still-not-learned-30260503.html
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Ei sillä ole väliä onko kissa musta vai valkoinen, kunhan se vaan pyydystää hiiriä.
Paluu Bambulehtoon näkyvissä. |
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Minä, monien muiden mukana, otin vallankaappauksen vastaan hyväksyvästi. Se lopetti jatkuvat, turhan mellakoinnit ja toi rauhan maahan. Nyt kun reilu vuosi on kulunut vallankaappauksesta, monet asiat ovat kuitenkin jääneet paikoilleen. Kauanko juntta saa armonaikaa kansalaisiltaan ennen kuin tyytymättömyys leviää vai pystyykö se leviämään?
Vähän kuin olen Kiinan suhteen puhunut, kansa on tyytyväinen, jos valtakunnan johto tuo heille edistystä tai ainakin leivän pöytään. Jos taas ei, ongelmat alkavat uudelleen. Se että väkivalloin kielletään kansalaisilta oikeus kertoa, mikä heidän mielestään on huonosti, ei ole oikeaa hallintoa. Ja edelleenkin olen sitä mieltä, että länsimaalainen "demokratia" ei välttämättä ole oikea systeemi Aasiaan.
https://news.yahoo.com/parched-paddies-strike-thai-juntas-economic-weak-spot-053400975.html
| Lainaus: | Parched paddies strike Thai junta's economic weak spot
AFP
By Jerome Taylor
July 8, 2015 1:34 AM
Ranong Rachasing would normally be in her fields at this time of year, toiling in ankle-deep water to make her rice paddies bloom through knowledge honed by years of cultivating Thailand's most celebrated export.
Now the wizened 57-year-old's fields lie fallow, baking under a blazing summer sun while Ranong gazes skywards for clouds that never seem to appear.
"This year is worse than any other. There has been no rain, so there is no water. It is the most severe drought I've ever seen," she told AFP while standing in a cracked field in Bang Pla Ma district, Suphanburi province, a two-hour drive north of Bangkok.
Thailand's vital rice belt is being battered by one of the worst droughts in living memory, forcing impoverished farmers deeper into debt and heaping fresh pain on an already weak economy -- seen as the junta's Achilles heel.
When they seized power in May 2014, Thailand's generals promised to restore order and prosperity after months of street protests paralysed the elected government of Yingluck Shinawatra and brought the economy to a near standstill.
By severely curtailing civil liberties, former army chief turned Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha has largely managed to renew calm.
But the generals have proven less adept at kickstarting what was once one of Southeast Asia's most vibrant economies.
- Lacklustre growth -
Post-coup gains of a rebound in tourism and increased fiscal spending have been offset by disappointing exports, declining manufacturing and weak local demand.
In May the country's economic planning agency further revised down its GDP growth forecast for the year to between 3.0-4.0 percent, one of the lowest rates in Asia and well below Prayut's hopes for at least 4.5 percent.
Now the kingdom faces the prospect of a dismal main harvest of rice -- traditionally one of the country's top exports.
Water levels in some of the main reservoirs are at their lowest levels in 20 years prompting the junta to call on farmers in the Chao Praya river basin to delay sowing crops.
Prayut also ordered officials to clear irrigation channels, dig more ground wells and employ cloud seeding technology to create artificial rainfall.
But the wet season has yet to arrive in earnest and water remains precariously elusive for many.
To the untrained eye Thailand's drought is deceptive. Across much of Suphanburi province many fields appear green and crop-filled.
"The colour is wrong, too yellow" explains Samien Hongto, the spry 72-year-old chairman of the Central Farmers Network as he surveys rice fields close to his village.
"If we don't get rain in the next few days, these crops will die."
Down the road a field has done just that and a herd of buffaloes has been allowed in to graze on what remains. Away from the main irrigation channels the planted fields become a rarity.
Vichai Priprasert, president of the Thai Rice Exporters Association, estimates just 30-40 percent of the fields have been planted, with no guarantee those will make it to harvest.
"I've never seen it this bad. And I've been working in this industry for 40 years or so," he told AFP.
- Junta 'vulnerable' -
A poor rice harvest is more than just an economic headache for the junta -- it is a political dilemma.
Last year's coup was the latest episode in Thailand's long running political conflict that broadly pits a pro-military Bangkok-based middle class and royalist elite against poorer voters loyal to Yingluck and her also ousted former premier brother Thaksin.
Puangthong Pawakapan, a Thai politics expert at Chulalongkorn University, says many of the country's "anti-Shinawatra" middle classes were happy to support draconian rule in return for economic prosperity.
"But now it is quite clear that the junta is so incompetent in handling the country's economic problems," she said.
Most of Thailand's rice farmers hail from the country's populous north, where love for the ousted Shinawatras remains strong partially because they heavily subsidised the rice industry.
But analysts say failed crop harvests will also erode crucial support among some of the military's natural allies because it looks set to further dent already disappointing economic growth.
"The dictatorship is extremely vulnerable to the economy downturns because such issues could lose the junta support from Bangkok-centred middle and upper classes, the only groups in Thailand supporting the junta," Paul Chambers, director of research at the Institute of South East Asian Affairs in the northern city of Chiang Mai told AFP.
For Somjit Paengpan, a 48-year-old farmer yet to lay down any seeds, the rough and tumble of the capital's politics is the least of her concerns.
She took a loan out last year to pay for a tractor that now lies unused.
"Without rice I won't have any income," she lamented. "What am I to do?" |
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Ei sillä ole väliä onko kissa musta vai valkoinen, kunhan se vaan pyydystää hiiriä.
Paluu Bambulehtoon näkyvissä. |
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| Voitto Lippu kirjoitti: | | . Se että väkivalloin kielletään kansalaisilta oikeus kertoa, mikä heidän mielestään on huonosti, ei ole oikeaa hallintoa. Ja edelleenkin olen sitä mieltä, että länsimaalainen "demokratia" ei välttämättä ole oikea systeemi Aasiaan. |
Tuossa ensimmäisessä asiassa olen tietysti samaa mieltä, mutta tuon pisteen jälkeinen väite ei oikein auennut eli tarkentaisitko mitä tarkoitat "falle demokratialla"? |
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Tässä vaiheessa yötä vaikka sitä, että yksi maa, esim U.S. of A pystyisi tekemään ne demokratian säännöt, jotka sitten olisivat maailmanlaajuiset. Taikka Venäjä sanoisi, että nämä ovat ne demokratian säännöt, joita kaikkien tulee nyt noudattaa, tai Kiina tai kuka tahansa muu. Kuka luo ne säännöt, mitä demokratia tarkoittaa?
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Ei sillä ole väliä onko kissa musta vai valkoinen, kunhan se vaan pyydystää hiiriä.
Paluu Bambulehtoon näkyvissä. |
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Nyt haluankin esittää vastakysymyksen, Tero. Millainen on sinun mielestäsi länsimainen demokratia, jonka voi suoraan siirtää aasialaiseen yhteiskuntaan?
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Ei sillä ole väliä onko kissa musta vai valkoinen, kunhan se vaan pyydystää hiiriä.
Paluu Bambulehtoon näkyvissä. |
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Pääministeri on keksinyt oivan keinon, lopetetaan korruptio.
Kukaan aikaisemmista pääministereistä ei ole tuota kuitenkaan pystynyt toteutamaan, eppäillä soppii, että tuskin siihen pystyy myöskään nykyinen Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha
 Taas tulee tekstiin noita isoja kirjaimia miten sattuu. 
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Miksi edustuksellinen demokratia ei soveltuisi yhtä hyvin Thaimaahan kuin muihinkin maihin, olivat ne sitten Idässä tai Lännessä?
Thaimaassa oli edustuksellinen demokratia, esim. ennen viime vuoden 2014 ja 2006 sotilasvallankaappausta.
Miksi tuota tekstin tulevaa häikkää ei korjata?
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